Toploader Size Guide

I wrote a post on Sports Card Forum back some time ago in 2010 about how to find the correct toploader size for your very thick cards. I thought I would transpose that information here in the case someone out there needs to find this information more easily.

Do you have that really thick patch card?

Do you suffer from tight toploaders or are your cards bouncing around in your current toploaders?

Well this will tell you exactly what size to buy for that card. All you need is a ruler and know how to read in millimeters (mm).

1.5mm – 59pt
2mm – 79pt
2.75mm – 108pt
3.5mm – 138pt
5mm – 197pt
7mm – 240pt

In other words, 1mm is about equal to about 40pt.

Now I need to go measure my Upper Deck Exquisite and other thick patch cards to find the perfect size toploader for them!

Most major card sites like Blowout Cards, DA Card World, and Atlanta Sports Cards carry these products.

Basics of Group Breaks

I’m just going to state this now and get it out of the way. I love group breaks.

What is better then paying a fraction of the price of a box or case and having the possibility of getting a huge hit? It’s like gambling on gambling. It’s like trying to win the lottery of the person who is going to win the lottery. Except you usually actually get something in the end instead of a garbage piece of paper….well hopefully you don’t end up with garbage.

Group breaks are fun for the people breaking and fun for the breaker. It’s fun for the breaker because you get to rip packs and see what is inside. We all know the reason we love ripping packs is to see what is inside and hiding behind that foil wrapping, or in some cases clear wrapping (which makes no sense). It’s drama at its finest.

So basically there are several types of group breaks. Pick Your Team, Random Team, Pick Your Spot Draft, Random Draft, and Yankee Swap*. (*Yankee Swap may not really exist)

  • Pick Your Own Team is just that. You pick your own team. Sometimes some teams are priced higher based on possible good cards and sometimes they aren’t. Usually the most popular teams will go first so it just depends how fast you are if you get that spot.
  • Random Team is everyone in the group break is put in a randomizer with the teams. Random teams, random person gets the teams. Sometimes there is a combination of Pick Your Team and Random Team.
  • Pick Your Spot Draft is when there are draft slots with each slot significantly priced higher the closer to the first pick you go. That person at the top of the draft picks first all the way down. Sometimes people will snake the draft and sometimes it will go back to the top.
  • Random Draft is a card draft, but the top pick on down is randomized. Again, there is an option for snakes. SNAKES IN A DRAFT!

Those are the four main types of breaks. Occasionally you will find other variants like League Division or something like that. All these are good and fun ways to spend your money.

But you want to spend your money with a trustworthy source. We all DO NOT want to be in a group break like the recent happenings on YouTube with callofhockeybeast. This is fairly recent but the low down is this. The kid hid a hit behind a decoy while showing the contents of the pack. This is a one hit per pack product, we know he hid it and we could see the corner of the card hidden. First off, this kid should be blacklisted. Second, you want to know how to avoid these things.

My first rule for avoiding bad group breaks is stick with the trading sites. CloutsnChara and Sports Card Forum are the two trading sites I use most for group breaks. These can only be run by the staffers on those respective sites. The odds of getting scammed are the least on those sites. They just wouldn’t risk their reputation. I’m sorry if other sites have staff only group breaks but I don’t know of others. Blowout often has group breaks run by it’s members, but there are less problems on sites that only allow staff to run the breaks.

My second rule for avoiding bad group breaks is to stay away from YouTube. There is absolutely no protection for YouTube group breaks. The person could just take your money and run or pull the old scammer switch-a-roo. I’m not going to detail how to scam someone by the old scammer switch-a-roo because I don’t want to give anyone ideas, but trust me, it’s possible. I know all the possible ways people can be burned, I spend way too much time thinking about how I could be burned in any deal where there is no protection guaranteed.

My third rule for avoiding bad group breaks is always join group breaks done on BlogTV or UStream…something live. If they are just recording a box break who is to say they didn’t switch boxes on you? (Version of the switch-a-roo scam) You need it to be live with someone, preferably most, involved with the group break for verification it’s on the up and up. A YouTube video of you opening the box won’t cut it anymore. This is a cut-throat hobby and some people will do anything to get ahead in the end.

My final rule for avoiding bad group breaks is the most important rule….and that is to do your research. Pick someone who has a proven track record of sincerity and trustworthy actions in several sites or communities. There are several bloggers, eBay, and YouTube people who are great. You just have to do your research. Check your prices, check the persons background by their username on several sites, look into as much as you can. If you don’t you’ll be paying for it in the end.

So, I love talking about group breaks and having fun with them. There are several going on right now across the blogosphere. I Am Joe Collector is taking spots, A Cardboard Problem is holding one, and I think Nachos Grande is holding one too. All legit and great group breakers from what I’ve seen.

I’d also like to hold one if anyone is interested. You want your background information on me? 200 feedback on Sports Card Forum, 53 on eBay, and a couple scattered over other trading sites. I would just like to gauge the interest level. If it’s really high, I’ll get one posted ASAP. If not, well we can always try again later. If you are interested post a comment and your favorite sport to break. Simple.

So there is your guide to group breaks. I hope this helps you stay informed and get the best for your money.